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Pulling and installing engine and trans as an assembly

Postby KTA » Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:06 pm

Can it be done? I pulled the gas 360 and 727 from my crew in one shot, now I want to know if I can pull the Cummins and 5spd from my 93 and put it in my 84 crew as an assembly. I have had both out of trucks before but never when they were hooked together. The core supports are out of both trucks so I don't have to get them up real high but I am still concerned the shifter tower isn't going to let the manual come out or go in with it mounted on the motor. Surely someone here has experience with this or at least tried it out. :D
Fleet of Junk: 1989 D350 627rwhp 1300 tq B-1/Hx60 twins, KTA pump/injectors, ported head, BIG fuel supply. 13.75@ 109.5mph 1/4: 1992 W350 Cab-chasis, 1993 W350 ext cab cust.370 inj Hx40/16cm 290rwhp hydroboost brakes,1984 D350 crew-cab another project.
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Re: Pulling and installing engine and trans as an assembly

Postby thrashingcows » Sat Oct 04, 2014 6:51 pm

I think the main reason many split them apart is the weight. The cummins motor alone can tax these over rated engine hoists that are on the market nowadays. But if you use a engine equalizer so you can change the angle of the motor and tranny as your lifting it out, you might be able to do it?

Engine equalizer like this one...

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Re: Pulling and installing engine and trans as an assembly

Postby bgilbert » Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:29 am

I don't know about 4wd, but at least on a 2wd, a Cummins/Getrag combo will NOT come out or go in together. You just can't get the rear of the tranny low enough to make it and the oil pan clear. Maybe if you removed your oil pan first lol. I also use the above engine load leveler.
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Re: Pulling and installing engine and trans as an assembly

Postby KTA » Sun Oct 05, 2014 7:40 pm

Thanks Bill. I will just go ahead and split them apart then as I know what taking the oil pan off in the truck is like and I would rather pull the tranny! lol
Fleet of Junk: 1989 D350 627rwhp 1300 tq B-1/Hx60 twins, KTA pump/injectors, ported head, BIG fuel supply. 13.75@ 109.5mph 1/4: 1992 W350 Cab-chasis, 1993 W350 ext cab cust.370 inj Hx40/16cm 290rwhp hydroboost brakes,1984 D350 crew-cab another project.
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Re: Pulling and installing engine and trans as an assembly

Postby dazedandconfused » Mon Oct 06, 2014 9:51 am

I know you can do it with a 518 in a 2wd truck since that's how I did The Duck when I put it together. It wasn't fun but I got it in there.
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Re: Pulling and installing engine and trans as an assembly

Postby KTA » Mon Oct 06, 2014 7:00 pm

Now everything would be roses if it wasn't for those idiots at Dodge making it impossible to mount the clutch assembly properly in my crew. I can see I am going to have to cut down and reweld my clutch master mounting bracket so it will clear the bulkhead wiring connector. I am not going to do a hack job on my firewall to relocate everything this truck is too cherry for that, so it is going to take a lot more time measuring, cutting and drilling to get it in right. At least it has the big hump in the floorboard so that should go ok after I cut the hole.
Fleet of Junk: 1989 D350 627rwhp 1300 tq B-1/Hx60 twins, KTA pump/injectors, ported head, BIG fuel supply. 13.75@ 109.5mph 1/4: 1992 W350 Cab-chasis, 1993 W350 ext cab cust.370 inj Hx40/16cm 290rwhp hydroboost brakes,1984 D350 crew-cab another project.
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Re: Pulling and installing engine and trans as an assembly

Postby thrashingcows » Mon Oct 06, 2014 10:52 pm

I just rat filed the wiring bulkhead opening over, then welded in some small pieces to take up the space the old wiring bulkhead used to occupy. Then measure and drill for the clutch hole.

Mine was thoroughly butchered before I got my crew...so I was only making it better. ;)

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Re: Pulling and installing engine and trans as an assembly

Postby PToombs » Tue Oct 07, 2014 4:56 pm

KTA, do you have a donor truck? I put an '86 cab on mine because it was rotted out, and ran into the problem you are having. I cut a piece of the firewall out of the 92 and welded it into the 86 cab. It's in my cab swap thread, I'll see if I can find it for you.
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Re: Pulling and installing engine and trans as an assembly

Postby PToombs » Tue Oct 07, 2014 5:18 pm

Thought I had them posted here, but couldn't find them. Here they are, before and during. I couldn't find an after, but you get the gist. I cut the seam on the left edge so it was in the middle of the steering column support. When I welded it back together I left a small gap, and tied the cab, plate, and support all together for more strength.

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Re: Pulling and installing engine and trans as an assembly

Postby KTA » Tue Oct 07, 2014 8:14 pm

I got it in and it looks clean, it was dark when I finished up but I will try to get a pic. What I did was to cut the welds off the master cylinder bracket then cut the actual plate with the hole loose from the bracket. I then removed a 0.500" and welded it back together. That allowed me to hole saw the 2.500" hole and have it clear the original bulkhead wiring and it also cleared the support that the bracket bolts too. I then rebent the piece on the pedal that the master cylinder hooks to in a vise so that the pin lined up. It all looks good and I didn't have to take the dash apart or hack up my firewall. It did probably take me 8hr to get everything measured cut and installed though.
Fleet of Junk: 1989 D350 627rwhp 1300 tq B-1/Hx60 twins, KTA pump/injectors, ported head, BIG fuel supply. 13.75@ 109.5mph 1/4: 1992 W350 Cab-chasis, 1993 W350 ext cab cust.370 inj Hx40/16cm 290rwhp hydroboost brakes,1984 D350 crew-cab another project.
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Re: Pulling and installing engine and trans as an assembly

Postby dazedandconfused » Wed Oct 08, 2014 2:50 am

It had to be a pain laying under that dash doing all that. How did you drill the holes to mount the master cylinder bracket. It was cramped up under the dash when I pulled that stuff off the donor.
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Re: Pulling and installing engine and trans as an assembly

Postby KTA » Wed Oct 08, 2014 5:45 am

I cut the big hole with a hole saw from the outside and it was easy. I then drilled the mounting holes with a 90deg air drill and a center drill for my lathe because it is really short and I could get it on the left side of the bracket and it still clear the wiring. It was indeed a pain.
Fleet of Junk: 1989 D350 627rwhp 1300 tq B-1/Hx60 twins, KTA pump/injectors, ported head, BIG fuel supply. 13.75@ 109.5mph 1/4: 1992 W350 Cab-chasis, 1993 W350 ext cab cust.370 inj Hx40/16cm 290rwhp hydroboost brakes,1984 D350 crew-cab another project.
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Re: Pulling and installing engine and trans as an assembly

Postby KTA » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:31 am

Here is how I did it. http://youtu.be/qA_jVtV0RwE
Fleet of Junk: 1989 D350 627rwhp 1300 tq B-1/Hx60 twins, KTA pump/injectors, ported head, BIG fuel supply. 13.75@ 109.5mph 1/4: 1992 W350 Cab-chasis, 1993 W350 ext cab cust.370 inj Hx40/16cm 290rwhp hydroboost brakes,1984 D350 crew-cab another project.
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Re: Pulling and installing engine and trans as an assembly

Postby bgilbert » Thu Oct 09, 2014 2:11 pm

KTA wrote:Here is how I did it. http://youtu.be/qA_jVtV0RwE

Brian I almost don't recognize you without a hat on :lol: . Pretty cool videos. I love the machine work vids. Maybe someday or another life I'd like to learn how to do things like that in a machine shop or the like. I was going to ask you if you were still tractor pulling.
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Re: Pulling and installing engine and trans as an assembly

Postby dazedandconfused » Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:52 pm

You have more patience's then I have. I would have pulled the cluster and stuff to try and get better access.
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