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Re: Help! 14mm still holding case pressure

Postby motorwood » Tue Jul 03, 2012 7:55 pm

Look at the thread "cheap monster turned money pit" there's some on there. I'll see about posting some more.
'03 2500: utility body stock; '92 350 flatbed: maxed fuel, 354 spring, 6x.016's, 14mm H/R, 2.8plate, studs, springs, A1000 5/8 line, Super40 = 454hp 1080tq all fuel. Have added S3 66/74/.91, O-rings, home port job, Steedspeed t-4 manifold. Hp=437/857 :( 13mm P, 5x.025, he551+ht80 843hp 1thousand something trq. Broken 5th gear.
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Re: Help! 14mm still holding case pressure

Postby oldestof11 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:02 pm

I just did a quick read.

I see dyno numbers but no sheet plotting the hp/torque curve.
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Re: Help! 14mm still holding case pressure

Postby ahale2772 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:04 pm

would be good to know where the curve is at RPM wise

also, what do you have on it for a filter.... just today I found out how very important a good filter is, gained 5 lbs of boost going from a brand new BHAF to a AFE filter, surprised the death out of me
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Re: Help! 14mm still holding case pressure

Postby motorwood » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:30 pm

My bad, it's page 13 of "dyno numbers". I'm not so concerned with the numbers, just the fact that I de-fuel. I could make more power with the fuel I have, but that's not the issue. If I find the fuel, I'll see the power.
'03 2500: utility body stock; '92 350 flatbed: maxed fuel, 354 spring, 6x.016's, 14mm H/R, 2.8plate, studs, springs, A1000 5/8 line, Super40 = 454hp 1080tq all fuel. Have added S3 66/74/.91, O-rings, home port job, Steedspeed t-4 manifold. Hp=437/857 :( 13mm P, 5x.025, he551+ht80 843hp 1thousand something trq. Broken 5th gear.
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Re: Help! 14mm still holding case pressure

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:32 pm

Which afe filter? part number? Anything that flows more than the BHAF has my interest.
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Re: Help! 14mm still holding case pressure

Postby RCCUMMINS89 » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:37 pm

motorwood wrote:My bad, it's page 13 of "dyno numbers". I'm not so concerned with the numbers, just the fact that I de-fuel. I could make more power with the fuel I have, but that's not the issue. If I find the fuel, I'll see the power.



So you are noticing it de-fuel? May be a stupid question, but have you played with your indexing and re setting the fuel screw to notice if anything has changed?

Did you shorten the 354 spring or just re index?
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Re: Help! 14mm still holding case pressure

Postby motorwood » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:57 pm

Not stupid at all, I have shortened, re-indexed,'added to the fuel screw, shortened the throttle cable, ect. It is at the verge of runaway. That does bring up a question. Should I index for a quicker throttle, or to allow the fuel screw to go in further?
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Re: Help! 14mm still holding case pressure

Postby AHineman » Tue Jul 03, 2012 9:59 pm

ahale2772 wrote:also, what do you have on it for a filter.... just today I found out how very important a good filter is, gained 5 lbs of boost going from a brand new BHAF to a AFE filter, surprised the death out of me


I assume most people dyno with no air filter, but on the street I lost several psi with a dirty Amsoil. Almost turned the thing inside out. I'm thinking of how to fit a 24" long AFE with my setup. http://afepower.com/shop/custom/filter.php
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Re: Help! 14mm still holding case pressure

Postby motorwood » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:04 pm

Have dynoed with and without, hasn't made
Much difference in my case.
'03 2500: utility body stock; '92 350 flatbed: maxed fuel, 354 spring, 6x.016's, 14mm H/R, 2.8plate, studs, springs, A1000 5/8 line, Super40 = 454hp 1080tq all fuel. Have added S3 66/74/.91, O-rings, home port job, Steedspeed t-4 manifold. Hp=437/857 :( 13mm P, 5x.025, he551+ht80 843hp 1thousand something trq. Broken 5th gear.
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Re: Help! 14mm still holding case pressure

Postby AHineman » Tue Jul 03, 2012 10:21 pm

I read back over the cheap monster thread. Do you still have no AFC and the T4 manifold and secondary? I bet it would be better on the dyno with a working AFC and a smaller T3 secondary. Also, with 80psi of overall boost, what is your drive pressure and boost from the primary?
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Re: Help! 14mm still holding case pressure

Postby JQmile » Wed Jul 04, 2012 12:09 am

As someone who has made 356rwhp with a 14mm pump, I feel your pain. My main problem turned out to be timing. It's a long shot, but have you checked your compression?
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Re: Help! 14mm still holding case pressure

Postby bgilbert » Wed Jul 04, 2012 7:48 am

I thought the A1000 is only good for around 45-50psi?? Have you checked that with a pressure gauge? I would try your super40 with that hx60. My guess is by the time your making all that boost, your way out of the VE power band. Big singles, incorrectly sized twins with a VE will make tons of boost, but little power, BTDT.
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Re: Help! 14mm still holding case pressure

Postby AHineman » Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:37 am

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Re: Help! 14mm still holding case pressure

Postby oldestof11 » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:09 am

So the dyno says peak torque around 2100rpms and peak HP at 2350-2400rpms.

Personally, I think the turbo isn't spooling fast enough to use the air as the HP only drops 75hp after it starts pulling fuel back.
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Re: Help! 14mm still holding case pressure

Postby motorwood » Wed Jul 04, 2012 10:43 am

Thanks guys for all the response. I'll wade through and answer questions a little later. Have a great Independence Day !
'03 2500: utility body stock; '92 350 flatbed: maxed fuel, 354 spring, 6x.016's, 14mm H/R, 2.8plate, studs, springs, A1000 5/8 line, Super40 = 454hp 1080tq all fuel. Have added S3 66/74/.91, O-rings, home port job, Steedspeed t-4 manifold. Hp=437/857 :( 13mm P, 5x.025, he551+ht80 843hp 1thousand something trq. Broken 5th gear.
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