oil filters

[cummins king]

what do you guys recomend for oil filters, i got 2 fram filters now but im not so sure after reading this:

TECHNICAL INFORMATION

It has been brought to our attention that a few DaimlerChrysler service technicians are
recommending that the FRAM PH3976 filter not be used on DaimlerChrysler vehicles with
the Cummins 5.9L Turbo Diesel engine and that use of these filters can cause damage to
the engine. DaimlerChrysler has informed us that they released a Technical Service
Bulletin to their dealerships communicating a potential contamination issue and
recommending the use of Fleetguard manufactured filters.
FRAM has been selling PH3976 filter for this engine application since the engine platform
launch and it has maintained an extremely reliable service record.
Late in 2000, Cummins and DaimlerChrysler brought to our attention a low incidence
failure mode in their Cummins 5.9L Turbo Diesel engine of the piston cooling nozzle
plugging, resulting in engine failure. The plugging was caused by contaminates lodging in
the nozzle. The contaminants included metal chips, calcium carbonate, polyethylene, and
styrene butadiene that are not associated with filter manufacture, and a neoprene
compound, which is used as a sealant on the tapping plate of the filter. There were also
several other engine warranty issues determined unrelated to the piston cooling nozzle
plugging that were part of the engine failure sample.
A small amount of neoprene rubber was used in the FRAM filter as a sealant. Throughout
our investigation with Cummins & DaimlerChrysler on various engine failures, no
conclusive evidence was found to assign cause to filters or other contamination
sources. However, driven to satisfy our customers, the FRAM engineering team made
modifications to the design eliminating the neoprene and expedited development and
manufacturing to release a revised filter model number to PH3976A.
With the design change on the PH3976A completely removing the use of neoprene,
there is absolutely no validity in comments that the Fram filter should not be used
for this application or that it may cause engine failures associated with plugged
nozzles.
The Honeywell Consumer Products Group warranty policy also protects the consumer if it
is determined that a FRAM filter is responsible for damage to an engine due to defects in
design or workmanship.
This information should be openly conveyed to our customers if they have any concerns or
apprehension about using a FRAM filter for this application."

After this, Fram went back and made some changes to their filter:

"FRAM ANNOUNCES PRODUCT IMPROVEMENTS TO THE PH3976

THE PH3976 WILL BE SUPERCEDED TO THE PH3976A

Several important product
improvements have been made to the
PH3976A:
· The cartridge has been upgraded
to contain a spiral center tube.
· The retainer spring is more robust.
23% thicker and stronger material.
· A plastic centertube seal has been
added between the centertube and
the tapping plate. This
improvement creates a better seal
between the filter cartridge and the
tapping plate"

[nooblet]

I've always heard bad things about Fram filters anyway. I never use Fram.

Chris

[KTA]

If you cut one open you will see what a piece of junk a Fram is. I would recommend fleetguard, but I have cut open some Napa Gold's that were pretty good as well. Baldwin is an intermediate quality filter.

[ford69557ci]

i either run a cummins filter or a mopar one the place that changes my oil keeps the mopars in stock and its all they will use on a cummins

[CAJUN 93]

a few years back we were starting a $35k small block ford in a super street mustang. it had a remote filter setup. idea was to crank engine and warm it up, then change oil and filter. the guy that owns the car is a ford guy so he has a couple fram filters on the shelf at the shop. we aint making a pass or nothing just warming it up so we thought "ok what could it hurt".

well engine starts and runs a few seconds and oil pressure guage doesnt move . shut it off and check oil pump belt, oil pump, crack lines at pump, then at filter housing. oil present. crack on downside of filter housing, no oil present. remove filter, full of oil. swap filter, try again. same results. send guy to napa to pick up a couple golds (basically wix) while we try to figure out whats blocking the filter housing outlet. find nothing.

guy gets back with filters, screw one on, crank engine. instant 70 psi oil pressure . further inspection and cutting of fram filters found a completely collasped media in the bottom of the housing. this happened instanltly as the oil pressure hit it as there was no oil downstream of the filter.

i ran wix on my diesels for several years and have now switched to fleetguard. i dont now if our engines produce 70 psi or not but i aint taking chances

daryl

[PToombs]

WOW! We got piston coolers?! I thought they started those on the 24 valves!

I used to run Frams all the time on my gassers. Now it's Fleetguard on the big C, and whatever on the gassers. Walmart usually, sometimes Fram or Carquest.

Daryl, 70 psi on cold starts easy.

[CumminsPride]

Napa Gold for sure.

[cummins king]

with my remote im running some ford fram filter, guy at the parts counter said hes never has a problem with then, we use fram on all of our equipment fuel, oil hydrolic, water seporators never had a problem, but i dont know i have here plenty of bad things about fram, might go with fleat guard instead,

would there be any benfit using two difrent filters, smaller and a bigger micron

[GO OVRIT]

Fram is deinately junk. Poor filter media, a cheap piece of thin steel instead of a coil spring and usually paper ends. I've fixed a couple 440s with 0psi by replacing a collapsed fram filter. Wix makes filters with their own name as well as many others names on the side including NAPA gold and Car Quest. CumminsKing....most universal remote setups use the big ford filter(ph8a) Its the most popular filter, so everyone makes it. I think the NAPA # is 1515. Some setups use 2 1515s.

[cummins king]

ya i thinks that what i got